Lt. Sera; Otherkin Forums
Posted by Dragonslorefury on Tuesday, February 24, 2009
As you all know I was banned from otherkinforums.net today...the fluffiest place I've seen in a while. So I thought I'd share the insanity with all of you kintype by kintype:
DRAGONS!
Yes, there's a whole article on dragon physiology...yeah, as in dragons existing here on planet earth. The article isn't as amusing as the responses I got:
Next up, the life of a dragon! The most amusing part is this:
Yeah…so I said:
The amusing part is that this is what an admin said:
Yeah…I pointed out that memories would apply to his “kind of dragon” and are just that…beliefs and fallible memories and that, oh yeah, whales actually exist and we have first hand accounts and fossils to prove it.
But wait! Lady D just outdid herself!
Angelkin!
This is the first post by the admin (Lady D, the elf with a wolf soul) in the topic:
Yeah..can’t make crap like this up, so here is my wondrous response:
I think I was the straw to her camel with that one because:
Therians!
Once again, lady D doesn’t disappoint:
I point out that therians don’t experience physical shifts and are mainly considered earthly species only. So I get this fabulous response:
Yeah…I pointed out that I belong to a therian forum and will stick with personal accounts as my info doesn’t come from a wiki or books like hers obviously does.
There’s just one last little treasure that I need to mention…a mod supplied this gem:
That’s all folks! Oh, don’t forget, according to otherkinforums.net zombies are otherkin! Yes, they even have their own subforum in the otherkin section as do witches, because apparently 'hereditary witches' (yea, the stereotypical definition and everything) are otherkin too. And here I thought they were human Guess you learn something new every day, huh?
DRAGONS!
Yes, there's a whole article on dragon physiology...yeah, as in dragons existing here on planet earth. The article isn't as amusing as the responses I got:
Seraphyna wrote:
This is interesting indeed. Though, I wonder how one could definitively talk about dragon physiology when we have no "proof" to go on. Meaning, we have images from folklore and mythos, personal memories and beliefs, but no fossils as with dinosaurs. Recreating mythological creatures and what they might be like physically is an interesting undertaking, but the fact that they are not native to our plane of existance and might very well exist in a plane where biology, and science in general, is completely different should be taken into account.
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well you see... u asked why no fossils, why no hard proof of their existance. then tell me how come that many cultures that had no conection in the past have myths, stories and legends of dragons ??? yes they do exist in another plane of existance, but did it ever occured to you that dragons as beings of imense power could have just made their own dissappearence ? you see, a thing about dragons, which i havent mentioned in my posts. as humans learn how to wield and control magickal forces, dragons are part of the magick. dragons dont need gods and goddesses to do a spell, they just do it. immagine how much knowledge you will get if u are able to live 1000+ years and dedicate your life to studying, and offcourse have someone older than you to pass on some of the knowledge... maybe they saw that humanity is rotten to the bone, so they've just left, and everything they've done for the good of this world, this plane of existance they took it away with them... and all that is left are just a legends, myths, stories.
Seraphyna wrote:
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
then tell me how come that many cultures that had no conection in the past have myths, stories and legends of dragons ???
Which came first, the myth or the phenomenon of dragon-kin? There are many possible explanations why mythical creatures exist in human myths and folklore. I personally believe that as humans can travel astrally and project astrally, so can other beings. So it is possible that dragons have astrally visited humanity in the past. It is also highly probable that humans finding dinosaur fossils created myths to go along with them. Finally, dragon-kin share their memories and such. I highly doubt that otherkin is a modern phenomenon.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
yes they do exist in another plane of existance, but did it ever occured to you that dragons as beings of imense power could have just made their own dissappearence?
Given that the laws of physics and biology have not changed here on planet earth. No. Things that die decompose and leave fossils behind. They evolve and de-evolve...they don't just happen. For dragons to have physically existed here, their precursors would be in the fossil record and they would've left evidence behind. The laws of physics do not allow for the kind of magic it would take for dragons to appear here and then leave without a trace.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
dragons dont need gods and goddesses to do a spell, they just do it.
Same for any other being in existance. All one requires is energy and that has been around since the dawn of creation.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
immagine how much knowledge you will get if u are able to live 1000+ years and dedicate your life to studying, and offcourse have someone older than you to pass on some of the knowledge... maybe they saw that humanity is rotten to the bone, so they've just left, and everything they've done for the good of this world, this plane of existance they took it away with them... and all that is left are just a legends, myths, stories.
It's a nice idea, but one that is not supported by science or even metaphysics. If we want to get into the pointless age debate...my "essence" has been around since forever. I could easily pull the "I've been dealing with earth since the big bang and have never come across a dragon" card, but all in all all we have are beliefs. Beliefs that cannot be proved, only disproved. Dragons existing physically on earth is one of those things that has very very very minute evidence to support. There is evidence to support giant lizards, even large flying lizards, but not large mystical fire breathing lizards.
then tell me how come that many cultures that had no conection in the past have myths, stories and legends of dragons ???
Which came first, the myth or the phenomenon of dragon-kin? There are many possible explanations why mythical creatures exist in human myths and folklore. I personally believe that as humans can travel astrally and project astrally, so can other beings. So it is possible that dragons have astrally visited humanity in the past. It is also highly probable that humans finding dinosaur fossils created myths to go along with them. Finally, dragon-kin share their memories and such. I highly doubt that otherkin is a modern phenomenon.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
yes they do exist in another plane of existance, but did it ever occured to you that dragons as beings of imense power could have just made their own dissappearence?
Given that the laws of physics and biology have not changed here on planet earth. No. Things that die decompose and leave fossils behind. They evolve and de-evolve...they don't just happen. For dragons to have physically existed here, their precursors would be in the fossil record and they would've left evidence behind. The laws of physics do not allow for the kind of magic it would take for dragons to appear here and then leave without a trace.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
dragons dont need gods and goddesses to do a spell, they just do it.
Same for any other being in existance. All one requires is energy and that has been around since the dawn of creation.
Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch
immagine how much knowledge you will get if u are able to live 1000+ years and dedicate your life to studying, and offcourse have someone older than you to pass on some of the knowledge... maybe they saw that humanity is rotten to the bone, so they've just left, and everything they've done for the good of this world, this plane of existance they took it away with them... and all that is left are just a legends, myths, stories.
It's a nice idea, but one that is not supported by science or even metaphysics. If we want to get into the pointless age debate...my "essence" has been around since forever. I could easily pull the "I've been dealing with earth since the big bang and have never come across a dragon" card, but all in all all we have are beliefs. Beliefs that cannot be proved, only disproved. Dragons existing physically on earth is one of those things that has very very very minute evidence to support. There is evidence to support giant lizards, even large flying lizards, but not large mystical fire breathing lizards.
Next up, the life of a dragon! The most amusing part is this:
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During the growing period which lasts 140+ years, the dragon continues to grow over 6 inches a year until young adult-hood when the growing period slows. The hatchling will eventually loose it's egg-tooth around age 15 when the dragon is now considered a dragonet. The dragonet will gain weight, and muscle strength during this time. Horns will start to grow on it's head, and spines will start to show along the dragonet's back. The wings will become strong enough to lift the dragon, but not for extended flight.
At age 40, the dragon is considered a juvenile. At this age, the juvenile dragon will test its flying abilities, and will make its first flight. The mother and father dragon will teach the dragons on how to take off from a cliff, how to use the thermals, and how to land. There is some natural instincts that the dragons have when first learning to fly, such as how often to flap the wings to stay in the air. The juvenile dragon will revel in the act of flying, and will be in the air most of the time during the next few years to keep gaining wing length and strength in the flight muscles.
At age 60, the dragon is now considered an Young Adult. He has learned all the aspects of flying, including how to take off from flat land which is most difficult for a young dragon, due to the immense force needed to do so. Around age 65 the dragons leave their hatching grounds to find their own caves to take as their own. They prefer to own places that are on sheer cliff faces, with a large enterance, and large living area, with smaller caves and tunnels weaving in and out of the cliff-face.
At age 90, the dragon is almost fully grown and is considered an Adult Dragon. The dragon will search miles around its own territory, and learn every nook and cranny about the area. The adult dragon will mark its territory by secreting a substance, and spitting it on rocks, and trees clearly defining his circular area around his cave. All dragons have an incredible sense of smell and this secretion is a beacon that another dragon is near. During this time, adult dragons will search out an elder dragon to learn magic. An Elder will teach the adult dragon the ways of the past through magic and knowledge.
Around age 100, the dragons will have a hormonal change within their bodies and will get urges to mate. Females will change to a brighter shade of their regular color during the mating season due to this change. The males will notice this change and get riled up so much as to fight with other males that are ready to mate as well. These fights are never fatal, but sometimes do cause some serious damage to the males, especially the wing membrane, which is the most vulnerable part of a dragon's body. The fights usually consist of dragons diving towards each other and butting heads, and swiping with claws on the tough scales of the chest. When the male dragons hear the females mating call, the dragons at once take to the skies to find her, and the chase is on!
At age 150, the dragon is now a Wyrm. This age is a continuing cycle of learning knowledge, learning magic, and raising a few more clutches of young. And of course, hoarding as much treasure as they can find to fill their caves. The pair of dragons will live together for the rest of their lives together even after all matings have finished.
The Great Wyrms
If a dragon lives past the age of 900 years, they are considered a Great Wyrm, and an Elder of the dragon community. All dragons will hold a great meeting to admit the new Great Wyrm to the society of dragons. Great Wyrms are highly regarded for their knowledge, their magical ability, and their prime wisdom. Elders are responsible for the teaching of past history of dragon kind, history of the world, and magic to the adult dragons. If there is an emergency that includes the dragon community, the Elders will call a grand-meeting to discuss the problem and what to do about it. These are the only two times in a dragon's life that they will see so many of their kind in one area.
END OF THE LIFE-CYCLE
A dragon rarely lives past 1,500. When the time comes, the dragon realizes his life-cycle has come to an end. He will gather all Great Wyrms at the rim of a great volcano. All the Great Wyrms will howl a great song named "The Passing Song". This song will continue for a full half hour, and can be heard for 300 miles around. This announces the passing of an Elder. Once the song is heard by Adult Dragons, they will howl the same song for all to hear until all dragons on a world will understand they have lost a great member of their community. During the song, the dying Great Wyrm will circle the live volcano and then dive straight down into the lava to give himself back to the earth that spawned him.
At age 40, the dragon is considered a juvenile. At this age, the juvenile dragon will test its flying abilities, and will make its first flight. The mother and father dragon will teach the dragons on how to take off from a cliff, how to use the thermals, and how to land. There is some natural instincts that the dragons have when first learning to fly, such as how often to flap the wings to stay in the air. The juvenile dragon will revel in the act of flying, and will be in the air most of the time during the next few years to keep gaining wing length and strength in the flight muscles.
At age 60, the dragon is now considered an Young Adult. He has learned all the aspects of flying, including how to take off from flat land which is most difficult for a young dragon, due to the immense force needed to do so. Around age 65 the dragons leave their hatching grounds to find their own caves to take as their own. They prefer to own places that are on sheer cliff faces, with a large enterance, and large living area, with smaller caves and tunnels weaving in and out of the cliff-face.
At age 90, the dragon is almost fully grown and is considered an Adult Dragon. The dragon will search miles around its own territory, and learn every nook and cranny about the area. The adult dragon will mark its territory by secreting a substance, and spitting it on rocks, and trees clearly defining his circular area around his cave. All dragons have an incredible sense of smell and this secretion is a beacon that another dragon is near. During this time, adult dragons will search out an elder dragon to learn magic. An Elder will teach the adult dragon the ways of the past through magic and knowledge.
Around age 100, the dragons will have a hormonal change within their bodies and will get urges to mate. Females will change to a brighter shade of their regular color during the mating season due to this change. The males will notice this change and get riled up so much as to fight with other males that are ready to mate as well. These fights are never fatal, but sometimes do cause some serious damage to the males, especially the wing membrane, which is the most vulnerable part of a dragon's body. The fights usually consist of dragons diving towards each other and butting heads, and swiping with claws on the tough scales of the chest. When the male dragons hear the females mating call, the dragons at once take to the skies to find her, and the chase is on!
At age 150, the dragon is now a Wyrm. This age is a continuing cycle of learning knowledge, learning magic, and raising a few more clutches of young. And of course, hoarding as much treasure as they can find to fill their caves. The pair of dragons will live together for the rest of their lives together even after all matings have finished.
The Great Wyrms
If a dragon lives past the age of 900 years, they are considered a Great Wyrm, and an Elder of the dragon community. All dragons will hold a great meeting to admit the new Great Wyrm to the society of dragons. Great Wyrms are highly regarded for their knowledge, their magical ability, and their prime wisdom. Elders are responsible for the teaching of past history of dragon kind, history of the world, and magic to the adult dragons. If there is an emergency that includes the dragon community, the Elders will call a grand-meeting to discuss the problem and what to do about it. These are the only two times in a dragon's life that they will see so many of their kind in one area.
END OF THE LIFE-CYCLE
A dragon rarely lives past 1,500. When the time comes, the dragon realizes his life-cycle has come to an end. He will gather all Great Wyrms at the rim of a great volcano. All the Great Wyrms will howl a great song named "The Passing Song". This song will continue for a full half hour, and can be heard for 300 miles around. This announces the passing of an Elder. Once the song is heard by Adult Dragons, they will howl the same song for all to hear until all dragons on a world will understand they have lost a great member of their community. During the song, the dying Great Wyrm will circle the live volcano and then dive straight down into the lava to give himself back to the earth that spawned him.
Yeah…so I said:
Seraphyna wrote:
My only questions are thus: how did you come to hold this information? Why do you present it as fact? and how can you be sure that it is true/applies to all dragons?
The amusing part is that this is what an admin said:
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Because he is a Otherkin Dragon and remembers this from a past life.
how do we know that whales once roamed the earth?
how do we know that whales once roamed the earth?
Yeah…I pointed out that memories would apply to his “kind of dragon” and are just that…beliefs and fallible memories and that, oh yeah, whales actually exist and we have first hand accounts and fossils to prove it.
But wait! Lady D just outdid herself!
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Now this is where I beg to differ, just because fossils have not been found does not mean that dragons never existed. Perhaps they are buried in caves that have not been accessed, perhaps they are in the ocean and will not be found. I realize Dragons are considered mythological creatures but so were mermaids which evolved into the manatee. I have been an otherkin since birth and before that and I assure you there are Dragons who still live i the one of the realms in the astral, as the Fae. So I believe all and discount nothing.
Angelkin!
This is the first post by the admin (Lady D, the elf with a wolf soul) in the topic:
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There are more Otherkin Angels than one imagines. They have a distinct colored Aura like rings of rainbow colors. They are here to assist others and to help man kind. They give of themselves and are never paid back or appreciated. They are ones who love deeply and never say no to anyone who needs help. They are oft times products of dysfunctional homes and engage in abusive relationships. These are the true angels of our earth and never ask anything in return. Otherkin Angels must always ground themselves and practice shielding as they attract all forms of negative influences . This earth could not exist without them and we are blessed to have them. They are the unsung heroes and should be respected and loved and revered. I am curious as to how many Otherkin Angels are out there. Please make yourselves known
Yeah..can’t make crap like this up, so here is my wondrous response:
Seraphyna wrote:
Well, as a technical angel-kin and one who has met many many angel-kin I feel the need to take the first post apart a bit..
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
There are more Otherkin Angels than one imagines.
You can say that again. If you take into consideration that "angel" comes from the Greek "angelos" meaning "messenger of the divine" there are more angels than even the angels realize.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They have a distinct colored Aura like rings of rainbow colors.
That is one generalization that cannot be upheld. The auras of angel-kin are as diverse as the auras of any other group of human beings.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are here to assist others and to help man kind.
A nice thought, but many of us are just here for the experience and/or a vacation. Many angels, and angel-kin, don't really give a hoot about humanity.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They give of themselves and are never paid back or appreciated. They are ones who love deeply and never say no to anyone who needs help.
Not necessarily, again, not all angels share the same function and not all angels care about other beings. Not all angels love or even can love and as angels, and angel-kin, have free will we are plenty capable of saying "no" to anything and anyone unless created otherwise.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are oft times products of dysfunctional homes and engage in abusive relationships.
There is no evidence to support this. Angel-kin have the same odds as every other human on the planet to have dysfunctional families or be in abusive relationships.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
These are the true angels of our earth and never ask anything in return.
If you're talking about actual, non incarnate, angels...well you haven't spoken to many. If you're talking about angel-kin, you definitely haven't spoken to many.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
Otherkin Angels must always ground themselves and practice shielding as they attract all forms of negative influences.
Erm...right. Not all angels have a surplus of energy, many are even vampiric as incarnate beings. Furthermore, angel-kin are no more attractive to nasties than anyone else and I've never had an issue with "negative influences" nor have I had to ground and shield on a regular basis...at least no more than any other human being should.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
This earth could not exist without them and we are blessed to have them.
Earth would exist just fine without angel-kin and without many varieties of angel. Heck, there's no proof either way if earth would exist with or without angels.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are the unsung heroes and should be respected and loved and revered. I am curious as to how many Otherkin Angels are out there. Please make yourselves known.
We do work hard, not all for fabulous causes. We aren't all fluffy whitey lighties as many people think we are. Many angels are chaotic, destructive, fire and brimstone and that is exactly how they were created.
My kind were created to preserve the balance of the multiverse. That does not mean preserve all of existance. We destroy as much as we create. We side with no one or everyone, depending how you want to look at it. We are equal parts dark and light, order and chaos, etc. Angels might question orders, but with a direct link to the divine we know exactly what is asked of us and why...there is rarely anything to question. And yes, we do have free will.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
There are more Otherkin Angels than one imagines.
You can say that again. If you take into consideration that "angel" comes from the Greek "angelos" meaning "messenger of the divine" there are more angels than even the angels realize.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They have a distinct colored Aura like rings of rainbow colors.
That is one generalization that cannot be upheld. The auras of angel-kin are as diverse as the auras of any other group of human beings.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are here to assist others and to help man kind.
A nice thought, but many of us are just here for the experience and/or a vacation. Many angels, and angel-kin, don't really give a hoot about humanity.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They give of themselves and are never paid back or appreciated. They are ones who love deeply and never say no to anyone who needs help.
Not necessarily, again, not all angels share the same function and not all angels care about other beings. Not all angels love or even can love and as angels, and angel-kin, have free will we are plenty capable of saying "no" to anything and anyone unless created otherwise.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are oft times products of dysfunctional homes and engage in abusive relationships.
There is no evidence to support this. Angel-kin have the same odds as every other human on the planet to have dysfunctional families or be in abusive relationships.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
These are the true angels of our earth and never ask anything in return.
If you're talking about actual, non incarnate, angels...well you haven't spoken to many. If you're talking about angel-kin, you definitely haven't spoken to many.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
Otherkin Angels must always ground themselves and practice shielding as they attract all forms of negative influences.
Erm...right. Not all angels have a surplus of energy, many are even vampiric as incarnate beings. Furthermore, angel-kin are no more attractive to nasties than anyone else and I've never had an issue with "negative influences" nor have I had to ground and shield on a regular basis...at least no more than any other human being should.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
This earth could not exist without them and we are blessed to have them.
Earth would exist just fine without angel-kin and without many varieties of angel. Heck, there's no proof either way if earth would exist with or without angels.
Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany
They are the unsung heroes and should be respected and loved and revered. I am curious as to how many Otherkin Angels are out there. Please make yourselves known.
We do work hard, not all for fabulous causes. We aren't all fluffy whitey lighties as many people think we are. Many angels are chaotic, destructive, fire and brimstone and that is exactly how they were created.
My kind were created to preserve the balance of the multiverse. That does not mean preserve all of existance. We destroy as much as we create. We side with no one or everyone, depending how you want to look at it. We are equal parts dark and light, order and chaos, etc. Angels might question orders, but with a direct link to the divine we know exactly what is asked of us and why...there is rarely anything to question. And yes, we do have free will.
I think I was the straw to her camel with that one because:
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Now I am going to take you apart. You are not an otherkin Angel, have no idea what is is. Do not tell me what I have known for years. Frankly you are one who sits on the sidelines waiting to pounce. You are not celestial and if you were truly an otherkin angel you would be able to travel astral. My advice to you is find another site that will accommodate you as this is not the site for you. If you are going to come here and pick every little thing apart of what you know absolutely nothing about then I suggest you go to one of the role playing sites, as it seems to fit you much better. Have I made myself clear?
Therians!
Once again, lady D doesn’t disappoint:
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This is a brief introduction to Therians
Therians are otherkin who have a connection to an animal. Some believe they have the soul of an animal, while others believe it is only psychological . Therians can be only earthly animals, or mythological animals (like Dragons, Griffins, Unicorns, and so on. Therians often experience a variety of shifts, from human back to animal.
Usually, Therians are loners, but they do socialize with others, it is just they feel more comfortable with ones like themselves. Therians have a tendency to act and then think later. Their instinct is extremely keen. Therians believe they have the soul of an animal. Others just believe they have a psychic connection to an animal. I am hoping that we will get Therians here so they have an online home they can come to, and interact with others.
Therians are otherkin who have a connection to an animal. Some believe they have the soul of an animal, while others believe it is only psychological . Therians can be only earthly animals, or mythological animals (like Dragons, Griffins, Unicorns, and so on. Therians often experience a variety of shifts, from human back to animal.
Usually, Therians are loners, but they do socialize with others, it is just they feel more comfortable with ones like themselves. Therians have a tendency to act and then think later. Their instinct is extremely keen. Therians believe they have the soul of an animal. Others just believe they have a psychic connection to an animal. I am hoping that we will get Therians here so they have an online home they can come to, and interact with others.
I point out that therians don’t experience physical shifts and are mainly considered earthly species only. So I get this fabulous response:
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I am well aware what therians are, as my husband is one. I think you are mistaking what Y Ddraig goch said. Otherkin can be human half otherkin and still have therian in them. I am half elf half human but my soul is the wolf. There is nothing set in stone. The best advice I can give you is throw out books throw out wikepedia and authors who no absolutely nothing about what an otherkin or therian is. Yes therians are of the animal species but one can be half Dragon and still have the psychological kinship with a therian or in some cases the actual soul. I hope this helps.
Yeah…I pointed out that I belong to a therian forum and will stick with personal accounts as my info doesn’t come from a wiki or books like hers obviously does.
There’s just one last little treasure that I need to mention…a mod supplied this gem:
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here are four ways i believe an otherkin can be made
soul:your soul is of another being
by bloodline: your family line has some type of history, (most notable with witches
spirit walkin: spirits just walk in to you
multiplicity:many sides and multiple personalities to you
i personally have yet to see a bloodline exist of a otherkin being
soul:your soul is of another being
by bloodline: your family line has some type of history, (most notable with witches
spirit walkin: spirits just walk in to you
multiplicity:many sides and multiple personalities to you
i personally have yet to see a bloodline exist of a otherkin being
That’s all folks! Oh, don’t forget, according to otherkinforums.net zombies are otherkin! Yes, they even have their own subforum in the otherkin section as do witches, because apparently 'hereditary witches' (yea, the stereotypical definition and everything) are otherkin too. And here I thought they were human Guess you learn something new every day, huh?