Roleplaying?

Posted by Dragonslorefury on February 10, 2009 at 9:40pm
I am sorry if this may sound somewhat disrespectful but I have to ask; are the people on this site roleplaying or do you truly believe yourself to be vampires, fae, werewolves etc.?

I am not saying this out of lack of belief but simply because some of the stuff on chat and the blogs has lead me to get rather confused about whether this site is concerning roleplay or not.

If you aren't roleplaying would it be possible to ask you a few questions or have a friendly debate? I'm a curious soul ^_^

Reply by Abaddon on February 10, 2009 at 9:55pm
Some of them are roleplayers some are not some are confused others are mislead there are all kinds. You say you are a dragon, might I inquire your name.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 10, 2009 at 9:59pm
As in my off-computer name? And yes i'm part of the otherkin sub-culture, dragonkin to be specific.

Reply by Abaddon on February 10, 2009 at 10:00pm
I'm referring to your dragon name all had one what was yours. I do not care of your offline name.

Abaddon
Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 10, 2009 at 10:03pm
Fury my name is Fury if you're going to put it that way, although I personally consider it only to be an alias, dragons don't always need names in the same manner that people do, and I certainly never make it common ground.

Reply by Abaddon on February 10, 2009 at 10:08pm
All living things are given names be they dragon or not and each name says a great deal about there person as the name of a soul is the name a dragon is given. I ask because it is to me a good determination of someone. I am assuming you will not tell me this and will evade it so I'll leave it for another time I cannot say I blame you though I wouldn't say mine here either haha. Moving past that you said you wish to understand more about the reality of some of the people here? You may wish to take a look at my group Knowledge Seekers.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 10, 2009 at 10:13pm
My main troubles are with-
a) The apparent hating or dislike of humans.
b) The roleplay and non-roleplay being intermeshed, I believe somewhere on the forum I saw some White Wolf VtM being used as a reference for truth. It's that sort of mixture that was confusing me as to whether people here were roleplaying or not.

Reply by Abaddon on February 10, 2009 at 10:33pm
Sometimes even the roleplayers go off the deep end and start believing some of it. But others just think humans are ignorant and hate them for there close minded view points personally I don't care I don't want them to believe it makes my life easier I rather like living in shadows then in the light.

Its just some of the frauds use lies to further make them selves appear creditable. Honestly we don't care much for the roleplayers but such happens everywhere it is not so uncommon and this is a more mainstreamed forum as such it brings in a lot more pretenders look at it we have over 18000 members we are bound to have a lot of pretenders.

My Enthesis, "For Da Lolz"

Reply by Dark Orchid on February 10, 2009 at 10:48pm
I agree with Abaddon, but may I add, there are many roleplayers on this site, I personally would argue that the majority of the members on this site are roleplayers, however there are many others who are not roleplayers and are truly what they say they are. Do not be mislead as many roleplayers will feed you false information. If you have any questions I would also recommend visiting Abaddon's group "Knowledge seekers". I assure you you will not be disappointed in the valuable information that you will find within the group. As "cool" as the things some roleplayers will tell you, it all comes down if it is reality or merely a fantasy.

:) take care.

Reply by Abaddon on February 10, 2009 at 10:56pm
Ahh dear Good to see you here. And your right most are roleplayers and will try to feed others false information but that's just how it goes they get this idea of the truth in there head and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

Abaddon

Reply by charlotte on February 10, 2009 at 11:35pm
yes. he's a good source of info our Abaddon. i learnt something from him earlier. always good to learn.
Reply by Belladonna Darkblade on February 11, 2009 at 3:13am
since twilight...this site is full of posers......i mean look at like the start of forum...from like 8 months ago...twilight was barely mentioned, and almost none of them were posers.
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My Contribution to his History of Dragons, remeber I'm on full fluff mode as to not get caught out so ssssssshhh.

(Long miminally formatted, Mage the Awakening fan fiction by Abbadon)

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 11, 2009 at 3:31pm
This is indeed interesting but I would like to say that this doesn't apply to all dragonkin's beliefs (can't tell you about the dragons on this other plane of existence seeing as I don't talk for them).

Personally I have never inhabited earth and came from an entirely different plane of reality/existence/dimention or whatever you would wish to call it. Because of this the history you have applied here is non-applicable to me as an individual soul so I can't much contribute.

I would love to know where you got this information from though, it has been my personal opinion that dragons never roamed on this physical plane of existence, but I would love to hear more of your opinion on this matter and how you compiled this evidence.
^_^

Dragonslorefury.

Reply by Abaddon on February 11, 2009 at 7:41pm
Its likely you came from the plane the dragons opened up making you a younger one. But they did indeed live there else I would ask you why do you think man has Always written of dragons from the dawn of time and beyond. I know of this place because I existed along side them. I am the other being and dragons are much like my kind so I have a great deal of respect for them.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 12, 2009 at 11:44am 
No, as a dragon I was never on this earth or a plane forged by dragons on earth beside it.
Like I said my personal belief is in alternates, whether you wish to call them dimensions, planes (other than this one) or realities, I came from one of thee alternates, at least from what my past-life memories hint at and from what I have come to believe. On the bright side though this means you don't have to respect me as much =p

I have always believed that dragons may be a construct on this physical earth from many different resources-
- I believe the theory that our primitive ancestors had three main predatory cires- python, big cat and bird of prey- and that over time these could be assimilated into a singular entity and a deep-set fear.
- I believe that dragons themselves may have had an influnce over humans belief, maybe through a human astral projecting or having a particularly receptive dream.
-I believe fossils may have contributed but i'm not a strong believer in that.
-I believe alot of the construction of monsters of might it up to the author and the original culture, because they all had a similar primary cry it would make sense that they would have a similar imagery of the dragon but over time, as the cultural differences forged, their perceptions changed and so to did the apperances of their dragons. I study art history so I see this alot in old paintings, drawings and frecos- it's all very interesting. ^_^

But yes this is just what I have encounterd in my time on this earth, it all seems to add up to me. There is also a more indepth book discussiong the development of dragons within our culture that is avaliable on amazon but I have yet to scrape up the budget to buy it.

Reply by Dark Orchid on February 12, 2009 at 2:08pm
This is all very fascinating to me, what Abaddon hast said about dragons really answers many questions that I had. This is rather random, but you did not ever mention dinosaurs and I was wondering if there is indeed a connection or a relationship between dragons and dinosaurs as they both art frequently incorporated with eachother.

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 12, 2009 at 4:30pm
Well I mentioned fossils, so what I meant by this was dinosaur fossils.
But like I said I don't believe that this is as heavy a proof basis for the construction of dragons as people would believe because not all cultures were discovering fossils at the same time yet almost all cultures seemed to have dragons, also because the concept of dragons seemed to be pre-valent before the concept of fossils or even the concept of fossils being found and then concstructed as dragons.

Beyond that in order to construct such a variations of dragons and draconic apperance from bones alone would, in my opinion, require some sort of pre-conception of how a dragon looks and where everything would attach. Just like when we see chicken bones we can understand that it is a chicken from prior knowledge, bad example i'm sorry but I hope you get the point.

Basically I believe that dragons being linked to the discovery of dinosaur fossils is unlikely. The link between dragons and dinosaurs on this earth have been explored though through a "what if?" documantary done by Animal Planet called "The Last Dragon", but that's what they can best identify it as right now; a "What if?". In generally i'm sceptical of dragons evolving from dinosaurs or even having that sort of link on this planet because they are intelectually seen as substantialy different; a.k.a. wise, wiser than most humans. You simply wouldn't get that level of intellect from reptilian evolution, at least not in this point of our earths evolution.

I personally believe that even if dragons were on this earth they could only exist at a bestial stage or evolution, lacking sentient thought on the same level of humanity and having no chance of surpassing it. Hence I believe that my soul/spirit/self (pick a term any term) is that which existent in an alternative; that to me is the only concievable way in which dragons could evolve or have acess to enough magic or energy potential to become the fully sentient beings that they are often portrait to be. It's simply not practically encouragable in this physical reality as far as I can concieve.

But like I said, I am adjacent to the opinions and theories presented by Abaddon so it would probably be best not to take our opinions as being hand-in-hand but instead of existing side-by-side.


Reply by Abaddon on February 12, 2009 at 7:41pm
Dragons that lived on this world where not an evolution they where enlightened beings ones you should respect and know of for they where and are you kin. They where created, not unlike the Gods.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 12, 2009 at 10:21pm
Ah but we are not the same, infact we are very different in vary many different ways. Even our origins differ. While I repect dragons of all kinds (even the bestial ones) I doubt I now, as I am- human with a draconic soul- would get the same respect back.

Reply by Abaddon on February 12, 2009 at 10:31pm
Share your story then of origins I'd like to hear it.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 13, 2009 at 5:12pm 
As you would appreciate my past life was substantially longer than what my human cognitions can comprehend and therefore alot of my memories are lost.
I have enough left to move on with my spiritual path and enough left to know what I was and what I wasn't. Unfortunatly it does not make for a very good, long or even detailed description. If you wish I will tell you what I know of my self as a dragon as well as the otherkin sub-culture as I see it but I doubt that this is the appropriate topic to discuss it in?


Reply by Abaddon on February 13, 2009 at 7:03pm
Well make a discussion about it I am interested in how these other dragons existed in a different world but you ended up here.

Abaddon

I posted my theories on the origins of otherkin and I didn't get many posts in response.
Hissy Fitting much? =P

Someone brought up the idea of half-dragons, Abaddon was not a fan.

Reply by Abaddon on February 15, 2009 at 6:26pm
No dragon would breed with an human an elf possible but not a human it would be an abomination to breed with a human. Even to breed with an elf would require magical insemination virus birth.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 15, 2009 at 6:41pm 
Which is weird because in my recollections I had more interactions with humans than elves. They were creatures that deserved respect. If I could i'd probably mate with a human and not an elf..... and now i'm definetly going to be mating with a human....well a wolf therian, close enough =p

Reply by Abaddon on February 15, 2009 at 6:47pm
Not the earth dragons... Humans feared them they killed them... I should know... I had to watch one die at the hands of a group of villagers as they slaughtered a young dragon not even 20 years old. Therian is not a human not there soul. Such its hardly what you can call a human... Therian means animal...

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 15, 2009 at 6:51pm
Yes it seems there is alot of difference.
True but human biologically, hence I said close enough ^_~

Reply by Saeriel on February 15, 2009 at 6:54pm
Abaddon, not all humans feared them and not all tried to kill them.. Some did treat them with the respect they deserved... just my thought..

-Side Note; Saeriel is Uriel, she changed her name-

Reply by Abaddon on February 15, 2009 at 6:57pm
I will never accept them...

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 15, 2009 at 7:05pm
I concur, eastern dragons specifically are recieved very well, and in certain asian and middle eastern areas giant snakes are still revered as dragons and worshipped and undistured out of respect. Sure they're not really dragons but the concept is there.

Besides that humans in general now look at dragons in a more reverant form, dedicating mutliple statues to them and novels and movies dedicated to the respectful representation of dragons.

To put it blatantly mmany generations have passed scince the destructive treatmment of dragons was active. While it's not certain whether or not we revere dragons now because we know that there aren't any around (that people are aware of), dragons are still much better recieved in this time and place.

Reply by Abaddon on February 15, 2009 at 7:10pm
The humans think dragons are but a myth and those that admire them do so because they know them for what they where. The dragon souls where so massive that when they died they split into many parts each peace becoming a new soul, thus infusing with a new host shell and they becoming at lest in part dragon there is only one acceptation to this. That is the Only Dragon soul that was not created for a dragon vessel.

Abaddon

Reply by Saeriel on February 15, 2009 at 6:58pm
I know you would not

Reply by Abaddon on February 15, 2009 at 7:10pm
I will hate them for all time.

Abaddon

The rest of this convo is basically bitching about humans, bitching which I involved in my actualy Report, so I shall leave it out.
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This was me asking random questions on Abbadon's "Ask random questions" Topic. I assume he made it to assure himself that he was always right and that people deemed him important enough to get advice from him, but we will never know....

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 11, 2009 at 3:33pm
This may be a rather old and repetitive question but I hope to add new branches on it further into the question (when answers are given then a debate can form maybe? friendly of course).

My question is why do vampires as a collective on this site seem to hate or dislike humans?
Surely you are part of humanity so why despise it?

Reply by Abaddon on February 11, 2009 at 7:44pm
Not all vampire are human. Such is the simple truth and humanity as a whole is extremity different from vampire but most human hating vampire do so because they dislike there opinion they often try to force on them so they differ them selves from humans as a whole. The primary purpose of this place is to gather knowledge but anyone is free to start a discussion for whatever reason as long as it follows the rules if it gets out of hand the discussion will be closed I won't have any flaming like on the open form here so as long as its constructive its fine. I created this place to teach and for others to learn to get the plethora of information from my mind onto a written form so it dose not consume my mind and drive me insane.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 12, 2009 at 12:04pm
I shall, of course, try and keep the questions and the debate as friendly and tame as possibble. 'Tis why it's called an debate and not an argument, i'm not here to argue, just to learn your opinions if you will allow me to.

"Not all vampire are human."

How so?
Sorry, this is my curiousity coming thorugh, but how does a vampire become in-human?
And if a vampire is not human does this make doctors visits diffricult if not impossible?
For one if you are not human than your blood may seem abnormal?

"Humanity as a whole is extremity different from vampire"

Is this because of the differences in energy attainment (i.e. you needing extra blood/psi energy) or does it stretch beyond that?

"Most human hating vampire do so because they dislike there opinion they often try to force on them so they differ them selves from humans as a whole."

How so enforce opinions?
I mean i'm not that old but as far as I know we're rather entitled to our own personal opinions nowadays. Don't get me wrong social culutral and political propaganda still exists but I wouldn't think it was be as much as to enroach on a vampire's personal opinions?
Well I guess seeing as not all vampires dislike humans I gues that, again, varies?

"The primary purpose of this place is to gather knowledge but anyone is free to start a discussion for whatever reason as long as it follows the rules if it gets out of hand the discussion will be closed I won't have any flaming like on the open form here so as long as its constructive its fine."

I'm hoping it will be constructive.
Constructive to me i'm sure seeing as I have asked so many questions but maybe constructive for the ones who answer those questions as well.
I'm not saying this out of arrogance or bragging it's just that I personally have always found that writing out my opinions and realising the proper way to verbalise them to others has always resulted in myself seeing them much more refreshingly and clear as well. I hope this applies here

Reply by Abaddon on February 12, 2009 at 6:50pm
The first vampire where created from a race that stems directly from god the bible calls them angels or "sons of fire" and man "sons of clay" When the first vampire came into existence from the Gods who let them selves fall they became demons and such all vampire that where turned from them inherited the "curse" of both an immortal body and immortal soul however as with all demons they are not invincible as such they do often die and most of them have. Thus the first created vampire are half breed demons undead corpses. They do not need to see doctors because they do not become ill, they heal quickly they are immune because of there state of body. There body needs blood to live or they will waste away and eventually die slowly and painfully.

The vampire you mostly find on here are mostly roleplayers or in rarer cases, reincarnated immoral souls of previous vampire thus because they where "born" that way they believe its genetic in some cases others think its just a freak fluke.

Humans would deny the existence of vampire and as such it stirs up much contention between, they would often send them to a shrink or a mental hospital. As such there is a great deal of fear from parents who tell there children "your insane, you are not a vampire!"

As to your comment about dragons, the "portal" I speak of opened another dimension or "plain of existence" Dragons did not evolve they where created from nothing. They left this world because there was no longer a safe haven for them to exist here on earth many where killed by mankind (they only killed the younger ones but it took a mobs of men with chains to restrain one and they used the dragons keeper to prevent them from fighting back), often humans thought the keepers of the dragons where being controlled by them thus thought if they killed the dragon they would free the keeper from its "evil grasp". Most dragons had a keeper who attempted to act as a guide to them keeping them out of trouble when they where younger. But your comment about dinosaurs is untrue there is a single species among them that was said to possess intelligence beyond that of any other it is by no means impossible for a dinosaur to have surpassed its predatory nature the most likely type to have evolved would have been raptor and similar subspecies. However the ideal of fossils I don't buy completely and I'll explain in a form later.

I hope this explains everything.


Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 12, 2009 at 10:19pm
“The first vampire where created from a race that stems directly from god the bible calls them angels or "sons of fire" and man "sons of clay" When the first vampire came into existence from the Gods who let them selves fall they became demons and such all vampire that where turned from them inherited the "curse" of both an immortal body and immortal soul however as with all demons they are not invincible as such they do often die and most of them have. Thus the first created vampire are half breed demons undead corpses. They do not need to see doctors because they do not become ill, they heal quickly they are immune because of there state of body. There body needs blood to live or they will waste away and eventually die slowly and painfully.”
So vampires are the descendants of the angels that fell with Lucifer?
Descendants through the demons turning them?

“The vampire you mostly find on here are mostly roleplayers or in rarer cases, reincarnated immoral souls of previous vampire thus because they where "born" that way they believe its genetic in some cases others think its just a freak fluke.”
I was always under the belief that the common type of vampires were people, humans that is, who were suffering from an energy deficiency that could only be sustained through feeding from energy sources that deviate from the social norm; i.e. usually blood (the sanguinarians) or non-physical energies of different kinds (Psi-vamps).
Are these simply posers?

“Humans would deny the existence of vampire and as such it stirs up much contention between, they would often send them to a shrink or a mental hospital. As such there is a great deal of fear from parents who tell there children "your insane, you are not a vampire!" “
Wouldn’t a DNA test sort this out or a blood test? After all if they are descendant from demons and have immortal bodies wouldn’t it show up via these tests and thus disproving the need for being admitted to a mental hospital?
Or would this stir up too much controversy?

“As to your comment about dragons, the "portal" I speak of opened another dimension or "plain of existence" Dragons did not evolve they were created from nothing.”
So they came from an alternate existence in the same way that I claim they did?
If that’s the case then maybe they had a chance to go through evolution, to a more competent level that could be attained on this earth, elsewhere and just broke through this “portal”?
Or is it more a case that the sheer power of this portal forming brought into existence the dragons you speak of?
“Most dragons had a keeper who attempted to act as a guide to them keeping them out of trouble when they where younger.”
That is one difference between me and the dragons of this alternate that I can quite confidently compare and attest to, I never had a keeper and (as far as I know) neither did any of the dragons in the planet that I inhabited.

“ But your comment about dinosaurs is untrue there is a single species among them that was said to possess intelligence beyond that of any other it is by no means impossible for a dinosaur to have surpassed its predatory nature the most likely type to have evolved would have been raptor and similar subspecies.”
I’m sure they could have evolved to a greater level of intelligence than they did but whether or not they would evolve to the level of THESE dragons is what I doubt or even that they could evolve to a level of intelligence and sentience that could surpass humanity. Either way they never got the chance so anything we say can only ever be speculation, which is a shame. Maybe cloning will change that in future times.
“However the ideal of fossils I don't buy completely and I'll explain in a form later.”
The idea of dragons in our belief system being the response of fossils, or the idea that they weren’t?

“I hope this explains everything.”
This is all very interesting, thank you.
Sorry for asking so many questions I’m just very curious of hearing different opinions.

Reply by Abaddon on February 12, 2009 at 10:30pm
Lucifer fell from heaven yes but Lucifer was not the instigator read my post on the fall for the real story. The Gods that became vampire fell different they turned into vampire while maintaining there human like appearance. They did so by falling willingly.

Those who believe they are defection are just mislead they might be the genuine article or they might just have a fetish for blood that they clam is a need. Vampire souls just take host with in a human body and slowly consume the soul but not all of them fully awaken they just awaken to the nature not there memories.

Human beings with vampire souls have human DNA. Created Vampire are just dead, its not the DNA that's altered its the soul that drives it they become living corpses. Such they would not even need a DNA test they would be pounced dead.

Keepers for dragons where only in this realm once they left they did not need to eat.


I don't buy that dragons are in the fossil record your talking about creatures made from pure magic its like asking why are there no demon bones. Just because something exist doesn't mean it leaves a corpse but fossils them self I'll make a post about this later.

Abaddon

Reply by Dragonslorefury on February 13, 2009 at 5:15pm
On the deficiencies, just curious, what about the krilan photography and similar experiments that have been done on the psi-vampires feeding and shown a substantial shift in energy during and after feeding?
What is your opinion on these experiements in relation to vampires?

Reply by Abaddon on February 13, 2009 at 7:02pm
I think they are valid however Psi-vampire are not the same they are more beings or people that can feed from energy as a replacement for blood most vampire who are skilled enough develop this talent in order to sustain there body to some degree but its a cursed existence.

I think that's enough fantasy vomit for one post, I shall do the PMs we had seperatly and spare those who only want to see the PMs from this fate worst than death.