AFSWATTF Origins- Castle Otherkin Pt. 1
Posted by Dragonslorefury on Monday, February 16, 2009
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This Is the Origins of the AFSWATTF, the first report and the writing pre and post in this topic determined our cause.
The Following occured on otherkin.com who is not responsible for our actions or opinions, but is a damned good site.
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:13 am
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Captain Nickoli
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Okay, so we all laugh at these poor sods, right? Hell, the Kai Chronicles NEVER fail to make me smile, and not just because I wrote the damn thing. Some fluff makes us do a facepalm and/or a headbang because they kick us in the collective heads THAT hard.
Then, there's the human haters. (FYI: Is this in the right section? It's still got some fluff in it, so I figured it'd be better here than Otherkin - General. So very sorry if I messed up.)
Pardon the French, but what in the name of fucking Cthulhu are these bastards smoking that makes them think they're the fucking shitty fuck-shit!! What in the holy hell is their glitch?! It grinds my gears into scrap metal to NO FUCKING END and it honestly makes me sick to my stomach!
Why? Because it's hate without a goddamn reason! Or arguably worse, superiority complex that makes me wanna puke.
I think it goes without saying at this point there WILL be a massive amount of venom in the following paragraphs. Phoenix's may symbolize light and fire and healing and all that crap, but I'M EMBRACING THE DARK SIDE BABY! AW HELL YEAH!!
....Moving on to our exhibits this fine day...
(FYI the second: This is done "Live." This means that I'm researching this as I go, just so I can get my emotions and reactions down before I forget them. I feel it makes for a more authentic read.)
Castle Otherkin
This site has an ENTIRE SECTION devoted to human bashing. We'll get to that in juuust a sec. My first issue is how they've over-romanced the living shitbombs outta the site. They have 53 freakin' sub-forums! Oh, I counted. I counted -twice- because I lost count the first time! They reeeeaaalllly stretched this as far as they could.
....Ugh. But on with the bashing of human bashing!
So like I said, they've got a section devoted to "problems with teh ebil hy00mans." How do they justify this? They claim it's for "Genuine complaints against humans..." Not people. Humans.
Gah! What the fuck kinda reason IS that?! We ALL have people problems! Listen dumbasses, you have problems, because it's your own damn fault. Half these people wear their kin-side on their sleeve, and then bitch about how, "I'm just not understood." Good GOD above, some people don't even believe the Earth is round, and you expect someone to believe you're a -insert kin-type here- Shit, I don't even believe myself really that much anymore, and you want perfect strangers on the street to embrace you just because you're you and just so darn special.
Get over yourselves. I hate you so much.
This topic is honestly the worst of the bunch. Taoki is in there, remember that bitch? She was banned before I joined, so I don't, but I'm sure some folks here do. Most of the shit is all about, "Ohh, they is hurting teh planet and each other!!!1!" THEN INSTEAD OF BITCHING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! GOOD LORD IN HEAVEN YOU PEOPLE SUCK!
And finally, in most topics, the admin actively encourages this bullshit. How can she honestly wake up in the morning, and applaud this fucking shit is really beyond my comprehension.
Know what I wanna do? I wanna make it so Castle Otherkin is real place. Yep, buy a real castle, move these fuckers into it. Then, I'm going to dress up as a knight, and storm that sumbitch. No! Wait! Fuck that shit! I'm going to make a Ghost costume from Starcraft! Why? Three words: Tactical nuclear strike. Ohh...that's a phrase that makes me feel so badass, Jack Bauer looks like PeeWee in comparison.
In conclusion, Castle Otherkin bad, hating humans bad, tactical nuclear strike awesome.
In the next post, we re-visit Kai and Bax. See you then! Sorry it is not now, but my keyboard is acting up, I have math review to do and I am pretty fucking tired right now. I will continue this tomorrow sometime after 6-ish EST. Again, sorry, but the birdy needs a nap.
PS: dragonslorefury and Sera: You guys went to this shithole of a site, right....how did that go(question mark) ((I cannot type a question mark. It looks like this: É Seriously...WTF))
EDIT: Oh my God, I just read what I wrote, and holy crap, I did not know I had it in me to vent my spleen on that kind of a level. Sorry, but this shit does not amuse me, it really does make me angry and rather....what is the word....Oh yeah! Motherfucking PISSED!
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Lt. DLF
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This to me is the one of the more notable remarks on there-
Just for the sheer Irony.
God I had almost forgotten about this place, but seeing as you asked I shall tell you about one what really pissed me off and actaully caused me to leave-
Well I posted the same Damien Hirst topic that I posted here-
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7948
there.
I got called a "vile disgusting creature" and a unicorn-kin hater. I pointed out the fact that I was a horse rider and so I had a communication with horses as well but it didn't matter, the photos were immediatly taken off of the topic and everyone apologised to the unicorn-kin on the forum while I kept on recieving a verbal beating.
I may not have handled my words in the best of ways but I did not verbally abuse any of the members there. I explained that it was art, that i was my career choice, that it was a huge part of my life and that it meant so much to me because my mother had just come out of a majour operation yet was still taking me there, something which was very sentimental (follow up on that point, her stitches actually got infected and she had to go back into hospital afterwards which made it even more emotional). The basic reaction that I got was that human expression doesn't matter as much as otherkin anguish and that my points weren't as valid because they were all human-related.
That was the breaking point for me, so I said my goodbye on that topic and they deleted the topic so I just left.
Again let me verify, the art got censored because it was offensive to unicorn-kin.
And this is me putting aside their human bashing section (oh sorry me and Sera managed to get them to call it "non-kin" bashing, at least on the face of things).
Haven't been on there in a while but they don't seem to have changed much.
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Captain Nik
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Well, my keyboard is working again see? I didn't do ANYTHING to fix this. At all. And before, I didn't do diddly-dork to screw it up in the first bloody place. I swear to God this is pissing me off worse than my inability to play Fallout 3 because my Xbox 360 is being a dick. If I was cut off from Left 4 Dead, I'd be apopletic with rage. But I'm not, so I'm not, and...I just lost my train of thought.
Thanks muchly for your kind words and what-not. I just have to ask one thing: When you see that I've made a new topic, do you rush to view it? Because like 5 replies in about 15 hours is like my best yet.
Anyway! On with the show!
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So as DLF kindly pointed out, these people lost their shit over some very nice art. Look, you don't see people freaking out that badly when they view the human body preserved like that. Nor when someone donates their body to science and it's either dissected in medical school (which I'll get to do, yay!) or experimented on, or whatever else they do to your dead ass.
I don't believe this one tiny bit. It's like their trying to get pissed off about the most inane things. It's ART! It's not like the guy was putting up pictures of him torturing the horse to death. Even if the guy had killed the horse Jack the Ripper style, it still pales in comparison to other shit in the world, and therefore IT AIN'T THAT BIG A GODDAMN DEAL!
In conclusion, Castle Otherkin still bad, members still assholes, still wanna move 'em into a real castle and call down the thunder. Tactical nuclear strikes still awesome. (On a side note: I really DO wanna make a Ghost cosplay now. Hell, I already have a crapload of actual SWAT gear in my closet.)
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Lt. Seraphyna
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Yup, I got banned for my "humans aka non-kin" article.
Oh, they also think that 'kin essences and souls are completely different...'kin essences being like super souls and shit and the others being plain old no free choice about reincarnation, etc. It's just bullshit...and the minute you point out that you don't believe there's a difference at all you get jumped on.
EDIT: I'm sure I kept some good flufftastic quotes from there before I was banned, so let me know if you want to see them lol.
(These can be seen in further origins posts)
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Lt. DLF
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Following up on my experience
Yeah but they'd probably be happy if another human died, what with humans trying to act all darn special all the time and what-not.
Actually he also did a piece of art in which he basically showed a picture of him as a child in a mortuary standing next to one of the severed heads and smiling.... now that I study art history (and specialise in, would you ever guess it, Damien Hirst) I can actually tell you that this unicron-kin freaked out more about the pickled horse with a fake horn stuck on it's head than the family did about realising that one of their family member's corpses was modern art.
She actually did say to me at one point (this is only by memory though) something along the lines of "how would you feel if they pickled a dragon like that?" and they weren't too pleased when I said someone had already made a version of that, but it wasn't advertised as art it was a hoax and I adored how it looked and the fact that it allowed people to be inspired and have a reaction over my kin-type (or something along those lines).
You're liking the Jack the Ripper analogy today aren't you
Actually Damien Hirst doen't tend to kill the animals that he makes into art, infact more often than not nowadays people call him up offering to donate animals from their farm/local beaches/etc. that have died of natural causes.
So the horse didn't suffer, it is being honoured and looked upon and marvelled at by the world (well except those who you would think would be the ones most inspired) and it has brought the mythical and eerie feeling of the unicorn back into the publics eye. I mean I went to see these two unicorns (there were two- one whole and one a severed head) and it was.....just an inexplicable awe-inspiring experience (sounds silly but i'm overly passionate about art).
Oh and don't even get me started on what happened when I pointed out that it wasn't even a real unicorn and was just a horse with a horn stuck to its head, they did not appreciate that at all. I think I got something along the lines of "well how would you like to see something so close to your kin-type butchered like that?". I really should have pointed out the two pickled/alcohol preserved bearded dragons that I have in my room... but by that point I just wanted to leave.
I don't know, they had their moments, I wouldn't call them the darker side of kin because anyone with more than one brain-cell can tell that they're just bitching and moaning over nothing.
The best comparison I can make to them and to being on their forum (as I was always treated with a sense of hostility what with coming along with Sera and all) is that it was like having a friend who seems really nice the majority of the time but then makes some really arrogant/horrible/derogative racist slurr or insult of some sort that competly throws you off. They seemed nice enough half the time but that human-prejudice was always there and because they were so anti-human and I was so I-am-human we I never managed to integrate into the forum in the same way that other members would. So when I posted unicorn-kin offensive art I should have seen it coming that they would be in favour of one of their own rather than me.... Still it came as a nasty shock, but at the end of the day I was happy with my choice to walk away, I don't need all that drama and crap, and i'd rather walk out quietly on my own terms than cause a scene and get banned when the admins felt they wanted to.
Anyway back on topic Dragonslore
The thing is we can laugh about it now and say it's not dark but these are all the people, who basically give us a bad name as bitchers/moaners/whiners/human-haters, gathering together and talking about how much they hate humans- probably because they've been rejected elsewhere for this view- and when there's no-one to tell them how wrong that sounds (like we do in this forum) they instead are allowed to believe this.
Not only do they believe this but they support each other and keep on building up the momentum and getting support and building up their fantasy world and getting even more support until what you've got is a unit of horrible-excuses-for-otherkin who are 100% certain their right and unreasonable with. I don't know if they've got to that point yet but it seems that without anyone around to try and convince them that they're only hurting themselves and the otherkin community by bitching about humans they've gone further down that path than I remeber.
But yes I can see why Nickoli is saying that this is the "darker" side of otherkin because at the end of the day they're all edging each other further into their own warped perceptions and then it reflects on us and we have more horse..sorry...i mean unicorn crap to shovel.
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Captain Nik
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So I read their rules, and I find it amusing that the people who actually wrote them don't even follow them. If 'Kin are all respectful and peaceful, why on Earth can they not follow written down instructions, that they themselves wrote!
Look, I can understand the need for a place to bitch. Hell, I've bitched about stuff on the internet dozens of times. But bitching about "mundanes" just smacks of a personal attack to me. Everyone has a boss/co-worker/whatever they can't stand, and yeah, I whine about it sometimes. But seriously, this is just using people as a scapegoat. Yeah, maybe you had a stressful day and need somewhere to vent about it. But don't blame it on the awful, horrid humans who clearly have it in for you. It just makes you look like people who just throw blame around instead of looking at themselves.
Hey! Sounds like the exact opposite of what you people think all 'Kin are! Go figure!
This Is the Origins of the AFSWATTF, the first report and the writing pre and post in this topic determined our cause.
The Following occured on otherkin.com who is not responsible for our actions or opinions, but is a damned good site.
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:13 am
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Captain Nickoli
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Okay, so we all laugh at these poor sods, right? Hell, the Kai Chronicles NEVER fail to make me smile, and not just because I wrote the damn thing. Some fluff makes us do a facepalm and/or a headbang because they kick us in the collective heads THAT hard.
Then, there's the human haters. (FYI: Is this in the right section? It's still got some fluff in it, so I figured it'd be better here than Otherkin - General. So very sorry if I messed up.)
Pardon the French, but what in the name of fucking Cthulhu are these bastards smoking that makes them think they're the fucking shitty fuck-shit!! What in the holy hell is their glitch?! It grinds my gears into scrap metal to NO FUCKING END and it honestly makes me sick to my stomach!
Why? Because it's hate without a goddamn reason! Or arguably worse, superiority complex that makes me wanna puke.
I think it goes without saying at this point there WILL be a massive amount of venom in the following paragraphs. Phoenix's may symbolize light and fire and healing and all that crap, but I'M EMBRACING THE DARK SIDE BABY! AW HELL YEAH!!
....Moving on to our exhibits this fine day...
(FYI the second: This is done "Live." This means that I'm researching this as I go, just so I can get my emotions and reactions down before I forget them. I feel it makes for a more authentic read.)
Castle Otherkin
This site has an ENTIRE SECTION devoted to human bashing. We'll get to that in juuust a sec. My first issue is how they've over-romanced the living shitbombs outta the site. They have 53 freakin' sub-forums! Oh, I counted. I counted -twice- because I lost count the first time! They reeeeaaalllly stretched this as far as they could.
....Ugh. But on with the bashing of human bashing!
So like I said, they've got a section devoted to "problems with teh ebil hy00mans." How do they justify this? They claim it's for "Genuine complaints against humans..." Not people. Humans.
Gah! What the fuck kinda reason IS that?! We ALL have people problems! Listen dumbasses, you have problems, because it's your own damn fault. Half these people wear their kin-side on their sleeve, and then bitch about how, "I'm just not understood." Good GOD above, some people don't even believe the Earth is round, and you expect someone to believe you're a -insert kin-type here- Shit, I don't even believe myself really that much anymore, and you want perfect strangers on the street to embrace you just because you're you and just so darn special.
Get over yourselves. I hate you so much.
This topic is honestly the worst of the bunch. Taoki is in there, remember that bitch? She was banned before I joined, so I don't, but I'm sure some folks here do. Most of the shit is all about, "Ohh, they is hurting teh planet and each other!!!1!" THEN INSTEAD OF BITCHING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! GOOD LORD IN HEAVEN YOU PEOPLE SUCK!
And finally, in most topics, the admin actively encourages this bullshit. How can she honestly wake up in the morning, and applaud this fucking shit is really beyond my comprehension.
Know what I wanna do? I wanna make it so Castle Otherkin is real place. Yep, buy a real castle, move these fuckers into it. Then, I'm going to dress up as a knight, and storm that sumbitch. No! Wait! Fuck that shit! I'm going to make a Ghost costume from Starcraft! Why? Three words: Tactical nuclear strike. Ohh...that's a phrase that makes me feel so badass, Jack Bauer looks like PeeWee in comparison.
In conclusion, Castle Otherkin bad, hating humans bad, tactical nuclear strike awesome.
In the next post, we re-visit Kai and Bax. See you then! Sorry it is not now, but my keyboard is acting up, I have math review to do and I am pretty fucking tired right now. I will continue this tomorrow sometime after 6-ish EST. Again, sorry, but the birdy needs a nap.
PS: dragonslorefury and Sera: You guys went to this shithole of a site, right....how did that go(question mark) ((I cannot type a question mark. It looks like this: É Seriously...WTF))
EDIT: Oh my God, I just read what I wrote, and holy crap, I did not know I had it in me to vent my spleen on that kind of a level. Sorry, but this shit does not amuse me, it really does make me angry and rather....what is the word....Oh yeah! Motherfucking PISSED!
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Lt. DLF
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This to me is the one of the more notable remarks on there-
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I have had it, I am tired of humans acting all special!
Just for the sheer Irony.
God I had almost forgotten about this place, but seeing as you asked I shall tell you about one what really pissed me off and actaully caused me to leave-
Well I posted the same Damien Hirst topic that I posted here-
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7948
there.
I got called a "vile disgusting creature" and a unicorn-kin hater. I pointed out the fact that I was a horse rider and so I had a communication with horses as well but it didn't matter, the photos were immediatly taken off of the topic and everyone apologised to the unicorn-kin on the forum while I kept on recieving a verbal beating.
I may not have handled my words in the best of ways but I did not verbally abuse any of the members there. I explained that it was art, that i was my career choice, that it was a huge part of my life and that it meant so much to me because my mother had just come out of a majour operation yet was still taking me there, something which was very sentimental (follow up on that point, her stitches actually got infected and she had to go back into hospital afterwards which made it even more emotional). The basic reaction that I got was that human expression doesn't matter as much as otherkin anguish and that my points weren't as valid because they were all human-related.
That was the breaking point for me, so I said my goodbye on that topic and they deleted the topic so I just left.
Again let me verify, the art got censored because it was offensive to unicorn-kin.
And this is me putting aside their human bashing section (oh sorry me and Sera managed to get them to call it "non-kin" bashing, at least on the face of things).
Haven't been on there in a while but they don't seem to have changed much.
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Captain Nik
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Well, my keyboard is working again see? I didn't do ANYTHING to fix this. At all. And before, I didn't do diddly-dork to screw it up in the first bloody place. I swear to God this is pissing me off worse than my inability to play Fallout 3 because my Xbox 360 is being a dick. If I was cut off from Left 4 Dead, I'd be apopletic with rage. But I'm not, so I'm not, and...I just lost my train of thought.
Thanks muchly for your kind words and what-not. I just have to ask one thing: When you see that I've made a new topic, do you rush to view it? Because like 5 replies in about 15 hours is like my best yet.
Anyway! On with the show!
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So as DLF kindly pointed out, these people lost their shit over some very nice art. Look, you don't see people freaking out that badly when they view the human body preserved like that. Nor when someone donates their body to science and it's either dissected in medical school (which I'll get to do, yay!) or experimented on, or whatever else they do to your dead ass.
I don't believe this one tiny bit. It's like their trying to get pissed off about the most inane things. It's ART! It's not like the guy was putting up pictures of him torturing the horse to death. Even if the guy had killed the horse Jack the Ripper style, it still pales in comparison to other shit in the world, and therefore IT AIN'T THAT BIG A GODDAMN DEAL!
In conclusion, Castle Otherkin still bad, members still assholes, still wanna move 'em into a real castle and call down the thunder. Tactical nuclear strikes still awesome. (On a side note: I really DO wanna make a Ghost cosplay now. Hell, I already have a crapload of actual SWAT gear in my closet.)
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Lt. Seraphyna
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Yup, I got banned for my "humans aka non-kin" article.
Oh, they also think that 'kin essences and souls are completely different...'kin essences being like super souls and shit and the others being plain old no free choice about reincarnation, etc. It's just bullshit...and the minute you point out that you don't believe there's a difference at all you get jumped on.
EDIT: I'm sure I kept some good flufftastic quotes from there before I was banned, so let me know if you want to see them lol.
(These can be seen in further origins posts)
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Lt. DLF
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Following up on my experience
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Look, you don't see people freaking out that badly when they view the human body preserved like that.
Yeah but they'd probably be happy if another human died, what with humans trying to act all darn special all the time and what-not.
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Nor when someone donates their body to science and it's either dissected in medical school (which I'll get to do, yay!) or experimented on, or whatever else they do to your dead ass.
Actually he also did a piece of art in which he basically showed a picture of him as a child in a mortuary standing next to one of the severed heads and smiling.... now that I study art history (and specialise in, would you ever guess it, Damien Hirst) I can actually tell you that this unicron-kin freaked out more about the pickled horse with a fake horn stuck on it's head than the family did about realising that one of their family member's corpses was modern art.
She actually did say to me at one point (this is only by memory though) something along the lines of "how would you feel if they pickled a dragon like that?" and they weren't too pleased when I said someone had already made a version of that, but it wasn't advertised as art it was a hoax and I adored how it looked and the fact that it allowed people to be inspired and have a reaction over my kin-type (or something along those lines).
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It's ART! It's not like the guy was putting up pictures of him torturing the horse to death. Even if the guy had killed the horse Jack the Ripper style, it still pales in comparison to other shit in the world, and therefore IT AIN'T THAT BIG A GODDAMN DEAL!
You're liking the Jack the Ripper analogy today aren't you
Actually Damien Hirst doen't tend to kill the animals that he makes into art, infact more often than not nowadays people call him up offering to donate animals from their farm/local beaches/etc. that have died of natural causes.
So the horse didn't suffer, it is being honoured and looked upon and marvelled at by the world (well except those who you would think would be the ones most inspired) and it has brought the mythical and eerie feeling of the unicorn back into the publics eye. I mean I went to see these two unicorns (there were two- one whole and one a severed head) and it was.....just an inexplicable awe-inspiring experience (sounds silly but i'm overly passionate about art).
Oh and don't even get me started on what happened when I pointed out that it wasn't even a real unicorn and was just a horse with a horn stuck to its head, they did not appreciate that at all. I think I got something along the lines of "well how would you like to see something so close to your kin-type butchered like that?". I really should have pointed out the two pickled/alcohol preserved bearded dragons that I have in my room... but by that point I just wanted to leave.
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In conclusion, Castle Otherkin still bad, members still assholes, still wanna move 'em into a real castle and call down the thunder. Tactical nuclear strikes still awesome. (On a side note: I really DO wanna make a Ghost cosplay now. Hell, I already have a crapload of actual SWAT gear in my closet.)
I don't know, they had their moments, I wouldn't call them the darker side of kin because anyone with more than one brain-cell can tell that they're just bitching and moaning over nothing.
The best comparison I can make to them and to being on their forum (as I was always treated with a sense of hostility what with coming along with Sera and all) is that it was like having a friend who seems really nice the majority of the time but then makes some really arrogant/horrible/derogative racist slurr or insult of some sort that competly throws you off. They seemed nice enough half the time but that human-prejudice was always there and because they were so anti-human and I was so I-am-human we I never managed to integrate into the forum in the same way that other members would. So when I posted unicorn-kin offensive art I should have seen it coming that they would be in favour of one of their own rather than me.... Still it came as a nasty shock, but at the end of the day I was happy with my choice to walk away, I don't need all that drama and crap, and i'd rather walk out quietly on my own terms than cause a scene and get banned when the admins felt they wanted to.
Anyway back on topic Dragonslore
The thing is we can laugh about it now and say it's not dark but these are all the people, who basically give us a bad name as bitchers/moaners/whiners/human-haters, gathering together and talking about how much they hate humans- probably because they've been rejected elsewhere for this view- and when there's no-one to tell them how wrong that sounds (like we do in this forum) they instead are allowed to believe this.
Not only do they believe this but they support each other and keep on building up the momentum and getting support and building up their fantasy world and getting even more support until what you've got is a unit of horrible-excuses-for-otherkin who are 100% certain their right and unreasonable with. I don't know if they've got to that point yet but it seems that without anyone around to try and convince them that they're only hurting themselves and the otherkin community by bitching about humans they've gone further down that path than I remeber.
But yes I can see why Nickoli is saying that this is the "darker" side of otherkin because at the end of the day they're all edging each other further into their own warped perceptions and then it reflects on us and we have more horse..sorry...i mean unicorn crap to shovel.
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Captain Nik
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So I read their rules, and I find it amusing that the people who actually wrote them don't even follow them. If 'Kin are all respectful and peaceful, why on Earth can they not follow written down instructions, that they themselves wrote!
Look, I can understand the need for a place to bitch. Hell, I've bitched about stuff on the internet dozens of times. But bitching about "mundanes" just smacks of a personal attack to me. Everyone has a boss/co-worker/whatever they can't stand, and yeah, I whine about it sometimes. But seriously, this is just using people as a scapegoat. Yeah, maybe you had a stressful day and need somewhere to vent about it. But don't blame it on the awful, horrid humans who clearly have it in for you. It just makes you look like people who just throw blame around instead of looking at themselves.
Hey! Sounds like the exact opposite of what you people think all 'Kin are! Go figure!